I can remember when Bernard Madoff would approach me in Palm Beach, Florida, about investing some money with him. He’d say “Why don’t you invest in my fund?” I didn’t know much about him and I’m not a fund guy so I said no. I had enough going on in my own businesses that I didn’t need to be associated or involved with his. Madoff was a frequent visitor at my Mar-a-Lago Club and he was a respected guy.
I know several people who have been victims of his unscrupulous scheme and what’s happened to them is dreadful. He is without a doubt a sleazebag and a scoundrel without par. The sad thing is that so many people trusted him, and unfortunately some of them trusted him completely. Some people gave 100 percent of their money to this guy, and now they’re literally selling their houses in order to live. It’s a great lesson in doing your due diligence. Some very smart people were taken in by him. Just because someone is well established doesn’t mean they’re not above being a total crook. He was a Svengali for rich people, and after one phone call they had $100 million and more just wiped out.
Even the people in his own organization supposedly didn’t know about it, or his sons, he claims. He had three floors in a major office building. How could one man be manipulating that much money without at least some of the people knowing about it, including his sons? The word here is greed. He certainly ‘made off’ with some big bucks from people hoping to make a quick buck.
He was a swindler, and even the SEC can’t be blamed. It’s true they did not investigate accusations from a decade ago, but apparently he maneuvered his way with everyone. I know people are stunned by their losses, and rightly so. I think we would all do well to pay heed to all of our transactions, no matter how much we might respect or like someone. But the main lesson is never invest 100 percent of your money with one person or entity. Even if someone or something is great, you can’t bet the ranch on it, especially a person--they can become dishonest or they can become sick. In Madoff’s case I think it was a combination of both. But you’ve got to spread your money around with numerous people, at least three or four. You can’t have your well being determined by one person.
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I can't wait for this years The Apprentice.
Julie Caulfield
DR,Hoecker
We can only imagine the sorrow and pain among many people now. After all we can only imagine what kind the crisis will be that is coming ahead us in 2009 among the economic downturn. And it will touch us all somehow. I think the research is one and important thing in our future to escape from an unwanted situation, the research and the education. They will be the keywords to get through this.
We must learn from the loss and get forward! We have to look to eye to eye what is coming and try to find all possible advantages about it.
What was Bernard Madoff respected for??? Was Madoff respected for his wealth, business successes, or for how he acted and communicated with others.
I believe it's important to do research before final decisions. If Madoff was respected for :
1. His wealth - Question :a) Where did the wealth come from?
b)Was it self-made?
c)Was it from investors?
d)Was it inherited?
2. Busuiness successes - Question : a)How many?
b) Which ones were high risk and low risk?
c)Were any successes contributed from investors?
3. Actions and communication - Questions : a)Can he prove his words from past results
and background history?
b)Can his words be trusted?
c)Has he had any investor relationships before and what
were they like?
When you take the little extra time to do the research, it can give you a clearer decision, as well as more trust in your decision.
What do u think Mr. Trump????
What you said is all so true. You are a brillant person. Never ever put all of your eggs in one basket....
I lived in Dallas Texas in 1980. There were a lot of "Pyramid Schemes" going around at the time where all you needed was 100 bucks, and two friends each with another 100 of their own to "get rich quick!" Well the North Texas Authorities shut down the 'little games' going around purdy quick-like! This Ponzi scheme looks like the same thing. Kind of like an Amway Corporation without ANY PRODUCTS. Sheer speculation that your two people will always find two more people! The payoff was supposed to be when YOUR PYRAMID reached the magic number of 64! Then you were to start all over again at the bottom of someone else's Pyramid. I thought those things were gone for good. But I guess Madoff was a genius at talking people into investing with him! Not to mention perhaps some creative pyramid diagramming all the while. Evidently there were no new members coming on board and it fell through like the "House of Cards" that it was! Please be careful Mr. Trump, for I would hate to see your Good Name dragged through anything like this. Obviously you are a GREAT judge of character not to have had any unnecessary involvement with this guy. Thank You for sharing that you knew him. But no one ever said Donald Trump was not courageous. Just not Foolish!
your admirer in Sunny St. Pete,
J. Glen Dale
I've always suspected this wasnt true, but I never knew where to look until lately.
So I dug out the most recent IRS report which was 2006 and I totaled up all the filings and figured an approximate tax revenue from them and whats funny is that the people making over 1 million dollars per year do NOT pay all the taxes, as a matter of fact they pay the least.
You can read the article at http://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com and it is titled "Fox Business Tonight"
On another very important issue to me, I have created a map that is intended to show who is unemployed and who has had their job sent offshore.
I probably will be adding a section today for those that are worried that their job will be offshored.
It would strengthen our cause to bring our jobs home dramatically if I could get everybody that is unemployed or has had their jobs offshored to add their name to the map, so please tell all of your friends and help me to spread the word about it.
Thanks,
Virgil
http://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com
I knew a guy that did scams on wealthy women, the daughters of wealthy businessmen and the trustees of large estates. He lived in a penthouse, and I even met some of his victims. I couldn't believe he got away with as much as he did. He ate the best food, partied all night, slept during the day if he wanted to, for years. He never tried to rip me off, and was a gracious host whenever I visited him. Even when I told his girlfriend (one of many) that he was just using her for her father's money, she didn't care. She loved the excitement as much as he did.
I wish I knew where he is now. I would ask him for a loan, and I'll bet he would give it to me. There are some greedy do-gooders too, that watch as people suffer and sit back and do nothing to help.
Now that we heard the bad things about Madoff, what did he do that was good?
In American, it is always disheartening to learn of people who prey on others trust. Yet, in some parts of the world, doing this is actually admired, and the person who pulled it off is thought to be "Clever" and "doing a good business". While, the person who bought into the scheme is considered "a fool" who deserves to be separated from his money. Personally, I would have a very difficult time respecting myself if I did anything consciously that took advantage of another person or manipulated them.
In your ending comment, you said "You can’t have your well being determined by one person." - Donald Trump. Not even yourself? Don't get me wrong, I believe working with others is a much stronger path to follow than trail blazing all alone. Just asking.
Mr. Trump -
Madoff investors could have saved a lot of money with a simple but effective internal control on investments - investment management must be separate and independent from custody of assets. A "no exceptions" conflict of interest policy with this requirement would make a Ponzi scheme far more difficult to do. Madoff Securities reportedly made the trades as investment manager but as also as the broker-dealer controlled what clients saw in their monthly statements (and they also sent the trade confirmations!). Most investment managers and Hedge Funds use an independent party to execute trades and send reports to clients.
What is notable in this case are the victims who are not on the list - to my knowledge none from major securities firms such as Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, etc. Also missing are other major institutional players such as state pension funds and large university endowments (Harvard, Duke, etc.). I suspect reasonable due diligence made them uncomfortable with Madoff and not recommend him for investment. They probably did not make it to page 2 of their lengthy due diligence checklists after discovering this conflict of interest was allowed.
Stephen M. Jones
Chesapeake, Virginia
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It’s hard to believe that people of such wealth would be taken in by a con as this. Not having the full story, I just do not understand why they can ‘t recover a great deal.
I assume they have paid a considerable amount to a specialist investigative recovery agent if not, they gave him the easy out. Penny wise and pound-foolish.
In all my years of debt recovering, the hardest debt to collect is one by fraud. Hard but not impossible. They always leave an opening somewhere; you just need to find it. No Law Firm will go the extra mile by them selves, they need to know what to do and be instructed to do it. Obviously it will cost a small fortune although, well worth it.
Anchor Guy
I want to recommend a new book I recently came across on this subject, the timing of the release seems uncanny (it came out in December 2008) it is called Hedge Fund Operational Due Diligence: Understanding the Risks written by Jason Scharfman.
A bit on the technical side lays out an approach to exactly what investors (and the government) should be doing.
Hopefully people will start to pay attention to this kind of stuff now before anymore charities are destroyed!